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Image of cupid and heartNot everyone using online dating sites is looking for love. Scammers create fake online profiles using photos of other people — even stolen pictures of real military personnel. They profess their love quickly. And they tug at your heartstrings with made-up stories about how they need money — for emergencies, hospital bills, or travel. Why all of the tricks? They’re looking to steal your money.

As if all that isn’t bad enough, romance scammers are now involving their victims in online bank fraud. Here’s how it works: The scammers set up dating profiles to meet potential victims. After they form a “relationship,” they come up with reasons to ask their love interest to set up a new bank account. The scammers transfer stolen money into the new account, and then tell their victims to wire the money out of the country. Victims think they’re just helping out their soulmate, never realizing they’re aiding and abetting a crime.  

Here are some warning signs that an online love interest might be a fake. They ask you to:

  • chat off of the dating site immediately, using personal email, text, or phone
  • wire money using Western Union or Money Gram
  • set up a new bank account

Did you know you can do an image search of your love interest’s photo in your favorite search engine? If you do an image search and the person’s photo appears under several different names, you’re probably dealing with a scammer. And if the person’s online profile disappears a few days after they meet you, that’s another tip-off.

Here’s the real deal: Don’t send money to someone you met online — for any reason. If your online sweetheart asks for money, you can expect it’s a scam.

Unfortunately, online dating scams are all too common. There may be tens of thousands of victims, and only a small fraction report it to the FTC. If this happens to you, please report it at ReportFraud.ftc.gov.

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HickoryDickory
August 04, 2018
I accepted a Facebook F/R from a Brian Jackson at the beginning of July 18'. He told me he was given a link from a friend who met his wife on FB and they have been happily married for 10 years. Straight away he asked me talk to him through Hangouts so he could close his facebook account. So i did. He told me he was widowed with a 14 years old daughter who attends Richmond Elementary Private School and he pays a teacher Charlets accomadation fees while he is working away on the rigs. He is Swedish poseing as a Professional Contractor and owns his own home in Pulaski, Teneessee. He is a Romance Scammer and using photo's of a professional speaker named Marcos ???? with his daughter. Sends endless Romance Verses with pictures. He wants to move to the UK were the three of us can set up home an be one happy family for life or i was given the option of living in his home in Tenneessee. The last three weeks have been good and no questions of money until now. He tells me the ship he hired for the company he has his contract with has been damaged by a bad storm. Water has got into the engine and resulting in loss of lives. He feels so depressed about this as he is also responsible for the ships repairs.$ 25,000 to replace the engine and $5,000 for Technicians labour. He has asked for my assistance of $1,000. I refused and now he is asking for Itune cards to the value of $300 so he can upgrade his Macbook. I told him not to go there and refused any monies. So now its Game On! He has blocked me twice and feels i am making a fool of him. Quite Right! He's telling me his life is in great danger and i never loved him genuinely. He has unblocked me again. He will be back later and i will continue to play him at his own game.
peacefulnsslov…
August 04, 2018
thanks
Crazymixedup
February 19, 2020

In reply to by peacefulnsslov…

What was his name same story I got of working on oil rig and needs money to repair etc he used Walter Kleitz
Don't usLesae …
September 25, 2020

In reply to by Crazymixedup

Has anyone ever been romanced by Jack Richard from Scotland?
ChaCha
August 04, 2018
I met a guy thru IG 3 days ago and asked me to chat in Google hang outs. He said he is a surgeon in Syria. On the first day he immediately said he loves me and wants to marry me. So I said it doesn't work that way and we should know each other more. He said he knew I was the one. He kept calling me all day long..Everyday..Then he asked for a certtificatefor a leave permit so he can leave Syria and vist me . He said that he wanted to have a business here and has funds for it so I can manage it. Of course I declined ..Refused...He insisted ..An I said NO. After that , he didn't call me ...I hope. His name is SCOTT MORGAN.
Me
June 14, 2019

In reply to by ChaCha

Same here. Received a private message on instagram this morning from someone who pretends to be a surgeon in Yemen. He says he is named Celestine John. His instagram profile is named celestinejohj
Missybbginger
August 04, 2018
Hello. My mom has been chatting with a man named James! He says he's in Africa doing a multi million dollar job. He hasn't asked for money but has asked for an iPhone X. When my mom said she had a late model iPhone she could send he told her he had to have an X. I'm sure she is getting scammed but she will not listen. How do I vet thru to her
Angry woman
August 09, 2018

In reply to by Missybbginger

I had the same bastard try to get me to send him an iPhone X . Had to be that phone too. His name he gave was James Rogers. Same scammer. In Ghana? Block him immediately. He's evil. Protect yourselves.
Djt
July 09, 2019

In reply to by Missybbginger

Where in Africa
Djt
July 09, 2019

In reply to by Missybbginger

Does he just go by James or does he use his full name my mom is talking to a James too
J Lemm
August 05, 2018
Has anyone on here received requests from a Tom Richardson or a Clarence Vining? On Facebook, Plenty of Fish, Match.com, Meet me and so on.
Bettye
August 05, 2018
I am genuinely happy to read this website posts which contains tons of useful data, thanks for providing these kinds of information.
SisterHelper
August 05, 2018
I believe my brother is being scammed. He is a disabled adult and they have him believing they are about to sell an inherited company for 18 million. He thinks he was in love before this situation occured. Found out today he's been sending her money to hold her over until she gets her inheritence and then she's moving in with him. I've asked him to send her contact details so we can get friendly if he's that serious but I actually plan to use those details to put a stop to this. Any suggestions?
Joy
August 05, 2018
Does the name Thomas Bill or Bills sound familiar.Has anyone come across him on Skout.
Lesa
September 25, 2020

In reply to by Di

I think I’m being scammed by Jack Richardson in Scotland . Anyone ever hear of him?
I've Lost Everything
August 05, 2018
Ladies, When I've got scammed, I was especially vulnerable (cancer and so on). In addition, I've always been over weight. So, when this scammer told me that I was beautiful, it was done, I was trapped.
Joy
August 06, 2018
Has anyone heard of Thomas Bill or Bills
Lynn
August 06, 2018
Has anyone heard of the name Michael Albert? Says hes in the Army. Has a sick kid and needs money. Wife died giving labor.
Nuthatch
July 26, 2020

In reply to by Lynn

I've had two of these people. Both said their wives died, they send a photo with their kid, they say they're engineers on off shore oil rigs. Yes, they find you on Instagram then tell you to switch to the Hang out application...it's like they're courting you online but they skirt around questions I ask. They're very charming and romantic. I also had "Kid Rock" hitting me up. Block them all ASAP.
Nuthatch
August 01, 2020

In reply to by Nuthatch

Can you give me the names they used. I have been talking to one same thing?
Baffled15
August 06, 2018
Hi I have been contacted by someone on Instragram...his user name is curisanderson295...Curtis Anderson. I reported him to instragram but they say he's not an imposter..hmmm not convinced. We have been chatting, he asked we to on hangout. I'm trying to figure his end game...his wife died 5years ago, children. He had to trav to Dallas on business for 4 months. He's asked me for money for surgery for an ulcer, I said no and he keeps talking to me. He sent me a picture of him working and I did an image search and it's a stock photo you can get on the web. I am curious if anyone else has had a run in with him? Ohhh he is apparently madly in love with me and wants to get married...so laughable. If anyone has had contact with him I would love to hear your experience..thank you
Holli
August 07, 2018

In reply to by Baffled15

Baffled15 sounds familiar. Do you have a picture of him working, or can you at least describe him?
Baffled15
August 08, 2018

In reply to by Holli

He has pictures on his instragram page..I'm not convinced that's really him..he sent me a photo of him and 2 other construction workers, don't know how to add the picture. We chat on hangouts he apparentlyloves me is from Pennsylvania and in dallas for a contract...only messages me at 10 p.m. eastern time.would like to know your experiences please
Baffled15
August 10, 2018

In reply to by Holli

So August 9th he requested I get a loan for $10,000to help him pay his workers lol and when I told him no he asked me to send iTunes card to his sick mother to buy medication and food. This is so a scam but he is the one being played...#trapping him!!!..
k8bait
August 07, 2018
Hello, ok here is my situation. Name Tom Wilson, working on oil rig , wife died from breast cancer. 17yr old son. We have had a few phone calls 1 video chat. Got very romantic quickly....did ask for an itunes card for his son as he was leaving a job in Ireland and wanted to give him. His scam is has millions of dollars of diamonds that he needs to move out of one place, security company changing and wants to have them mailed to me. Sounds ok so far right, well, I would have to pay the shipping. And he'd pay me back... Is this fishy?
Frisbe
August 07, 2018

In reply to by k8bait

Run as fast as you can. He is not true. I also had someone the same name. They prey on people, work in teams. Fake, fake and more fake. Diamonds and Mr. Wilson are not your best friend.
Nuthatch
July 26, 2020

In reply to by k8bait

They all seem to work on oil rigs!
Emmamaher73
August 07, 2018
I had a guy called brian ryan ripley messaging me . Calling me cutie and saying he really fallen for me after a week .. he then asked me to buy him an amazing card I questioned it and he said his wife had died of breast cancer . His parents had died in a fatal accident . He's a us army man in North Africa. I asked him alot of questions and he didn't like it . He demanded pics of me which basically he was gonna use to blackmail me and say his fb was hacked and wanted money but I laughed at him and told him go ahead post pics of me I be glad of the likes . He wasn't happy with that . He sends a pic which isn't him in his uniform and one of him and his sister . But I confronted him about him not getting paid and not having access to stuff where he was and I sent him screen shots of the army wage and extras and in fact there's no base in North Africa. So please ladies be aware of this scammer . He don't give up easy either . He will also ask u to talk on hangout so he can get ur email address please do not do this and if u have spoke to him and you start getting messages from other named people trying to blackmail you do not open then just delete and block the person
Denise
August 08, 2018
Does anyone know a Christian wegmuller
hannah
August 08, 2018
Does anyone know someone as Andre Williams? Claiming he is a seaman. He sent the link of the company he is working on and sent his resident address but I found out that the address hebgave me is different from the zip code. He hasn’t asked for money yet but was asking some personal information as he was claiming to send some items for me. I did not reply as I am thinking he is a scammer.
Naturefreak
August 08, 2018
AS A GAY WOMAN I STARTED TALKING TO A WOMAN I MET ON POF. SO THIS ISNT JUST HAPPENING TO STRAIGHT PEOPLE. SHE GOES BY THE NAME OF EITHER REBEKAH HOPE OR REBEKAH MARTINS. SHE SAID SHE LIVED IN MEMPHIS AND WAS SELF EMPLOYED DOING IMPORT AND EXPORT CLOTHING. RED FLAGS STARTED GOING UP WHEN SHE FORGOT THE FIRST AGE SHE GIVE ME. SAID SHE WAS LEAVING FOR ISTANBUL TURKEY FOR BUSINESS. SAID SHE WOULD BE BACK SOON, BECAUSE HER HEART IS TELLING HER THIS IS REAL LOVE AND WE WILL BE GETTING MARRIED. ONCE IN TURKEY SHE SAID SHE NEEDED ME TO PURCHASE ITUNE CARDS FOR HER BECAUSE SHE NEEDED TO PAY HER VENDORS. I SAID NO. SHE SAID SHE WAS WORKING HARD TO GET HOME TO ME. SAID SHE WENT TO HOCK ALL HER JEWERLY AND ON THE WAY TO THE BANK WITH THE $5000.00 SHE GOT ROBBED. ANOTHER EXCUSE WHY SHE COULDNT GET HOME. A WEEK LATER SHE SAID HER CLIENTS IN THE STATES WAS HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING HER MONEY TO TURKEY AND ASKED IF IT COYLD BE ALL SENT TO MY HOUSE AND I COULD DEPOSIT THE MONIES INTO MY ACCOUNT AND I COULD PAY HER. AGAIN I REFUSED AND SAID WHAT KIND OF FULL DO YOU TAKE ME FOR? ANOTHER WEEK GOES BY AND SHE ASKS FOR ME TO PAY HALF OF HER PLANE TICKET TO COME HOME TO ME. I TOLD HER I WOULD BUY THE TICKET AND IT WOULD BE AT THE AIRPORT COUNTER. I KNEW I WAS BEING SCAMMED ALL ALONG, BUT I PLAYED ALONG. SHE SAID NO SHE HAS A TRAVEL AGENT AND SHE CANT TAKE MY TICKET BUT SAID TO SEND THE CASH. SAID HER VISA EXPIRED AS WELL SINCE SHES BEEN THERE SO LONG. IT HAD ONLY BEEN 30 DAYS SINCE SHE SAID SHE WAS FLYING THERE. VISAS ARE GOOD FOR 90 DAYS. SO MANY RED FLAGS. EVERY TIME I SAID I WAS TAKING A VACATION OR GOLFING THIS MADE HER MAD BECAUSE SHE SAID IF I WANTED HER WITH ME I WOYKD USE THAT MONEY TO GET HER HOME INSTEAD. PLEASE BE AWARE PEOPLE AND DATE SOMEONE WITHIN AN HOUR AT MAX FROM WHERE YOU LIVE.
John.20
August 08, 2018
I meet a guy over internet by tango his a military his name is daniel jose yepes.we started talking nice he said that his intrested on me and asked me if i would excepted him as my husband wow i was shock cause i never has someone ask me that over the internet,well i said yes.i was wow his sexy good looking man and i said why not i should give my self a chance to make my life again but when days went by he was asking for itunes card,send him money to renew his visa and send him money for his flying ticket so i did all that but now his like amor im gonna text you a email qhere you gonna text them saying that you are my girlfriend but i already told them that you are my girlfruend and my fiance just give your complete name and your location.i told all i know that all who service in military or navy you'll get your deposit direct to your acct.and he said no cause there bank its no good and i was like hell no.i end up my relationship with him yes he called me by video chat,and regular calls too.i was inlove with him cause i never had a man that treated me so sweet like him.please i need help
SUNSHINE
August 08, 2018
I met a woman on pof goes by the name Rebekah Martins, Said she lives in Memphis, she immediately wanted to move the conversation to google hangout. On there, she is Rebekah Hope. I asked her to call me to prove who she was. She called with a very thick accent and I could hear a train station in the background and over the PA announcing next call. The announcer was foreign as well so I immediately knew she wasn't in the states. The phone number she called from was 636-742-1860. She started talking how much she loved me then started asking for money. Said she has no family and I'm all she has. It was one sob story after another. She would forget the lies she would tell me and then tell more lies to cover it up. These scammers need to get a real job. They spend their days and nights trying to rip us hard workers out of our money. I never gave her a dime and that made her mad each time I said NO!!!!!! Be aware people. if its to good to be true, it is.
Naturefreak
August 08, 2018

In reply to by SUNSHINE

I too met this woman on the gay dating site. Told me she was traveling to Turkey for business. I asked her to FaceTime me and she refused. Asked for iTune cards, then to send checks to my house so I could deposit them to my account and send her the money. Asked for money to fly her back to me. I said the ticket will be waiting for you at the ticket counter at the airport. She said her visa expired and can't get here now. BEWARE OF REBEKAH MARTINS. She is a fraud and will try to suduce you. She didn't get a dime from me.
OHIOGAL
August 09, 2018

In reply to by SUNSHINE

I TOO MET REBEKAH MARTINS ON POF. IMMEDIATELY SHE WANTED ME TO MOVE THE CONVERSATION TO HER GOOGLE HANGOUTS. SAID SHE LIVED IN TENNESSEE, BUT WAS LEAVING FOR BUSINESS TO TURKEY. WITHIN DAYS SAID SHE WAS FALLING FOR ME, AND WHEN SHE GOT BACK SHE WAS COMING STRAIGHT TO OHIO FOR ME. SAID SHE WAS GOING TO MOVE IN WITH ME AND JUST LEAVE HER APARTMENT AND BELONGINGS BEHIND. ONCE IN TURKEY, SHE WAS HAVING PROBLEMS GETTING MONEY TO HER. SAID SHE DID IMPORT AND EXPORT CLOTHING. ASKED ME FOR ITUNE CARDS, AND I SAID NO. SAID SHE WAS DESPERATE TO GET HOME TO ME AND WENT TO A PONSHOP AND SOLD OFF HER JEWERLY, ON THE WAY TO THE BANK WITH THE $5000.00 CASH SHE GOT ROBBED. YEAH RIGHT. SO NOW SHE WAS DELAYED COMING BACK. ASKED IF I WOULD SEND MONEY TO FLY HER HOME TO THE STATES, I SAID I WILL BUY YOUR TICKET AND IT WILL BE AT THE AIRPORT COUNTER. I WAS ONTO HER, SO I WONDERED HOW SHE WOULD TALK HER WAY OUT OF THIS. REBEKAH STATED SHE ONLY USES HER TRAVEL AGENT AND I COULD SEND THE MONEY TO HIM. ALSO SAID HER VISA EXPIRED BECAUSE SHE HAS BEEN TURKEY TO LONG. IT HAD ONLY BEEN 30 DAYS SINCE SHE SAID SHE WAS LEAVING FOR TURKEY. A VISA EXPIRES IN 90 DAYS NOT 30. SHE PROMISED WE WOULD TRAVEL THE WORLD AND SHE WAS VERY FINANCIALLY STABLE. HOWEVER, SHE CANT AFFORD A PLANE TICKET. SHE SAID I WAS ALL SHE HAS AND SHE WANTED TO BECOME PART OF MY BIG ITALIAN FAMILY. I ASKED TO TALK FACETIME WITH HER AND SHE REFUSED ONE EXCUSE AFTER ANOTHER. I WAS ONTO HER FROM THE BEGINNING. PLEASE DONT FALL FOR THIS LADY SHE IS NOTHING BUT A FAKE LIAR. GO GET A REAL JOB AND MAKE A REAL LIVING.
REBEKAH MARTINS
August 10, 2018

In reply to by SUNSHINE

My story sounds a lot like yours. As a lesbian in the United States a Rebekah Hope Martins started talking to me. She wanted to move the conversation to her google hangouts. Said she worked on a computer all day and it would be easier for her to communicate with me. She said she was a US citizen living in Memphis, but her dad took her to Turkey at the age of 14. Said she graduated from Isatanbul University, Turkey. Rebekahs grammer proved otherwise. She said she was married to a man but was recently divorced because he cheated on her. She said she was always a lesbian and not sure why she married a man, which I thought was really strange. We talked for a few weeks texting on google, there would be long delays in her texts back. ALREADY, I was wondering about this person. I asked her to call me, it took a few days but she did, The accent was thick and I could hardly understand her. I ran the phone number she called from and it came back to a different name in Missouri. I kept playing her game at this point to see how long it would take her to ask for money. She started telling me we would marry soon and how much she loved me. Rebekah said I'm the love she has been waiting for. She said was going to get a tattoo of my initials on her ring finger, she forgot that she told me she hates tattoos. Suddenly, she had to take a business trip to Turkey, as she would only be there a week, its been 3 months now. Soon she asked for itune cards and I told her no because she needs to prove to me who she really is. I asked her to snap chat or face time with me and she got very defensive with me. She stated she doesn't need to prove anything to me, well you do when you want my money. I was going on vacation and asked for an address to send a postcard and she refused to give me an address. Now, I am single NOT dumb and desperate. It took another week and she said she got robbed in Turkey of $5000.00 cash and she now couldn't afford a ticket to come home to me. lol. Asked if she could start having personal checks sent to my house and I could deposit them into my account and pay her..... NOT HAPPENING. I told her I hired a private investigator and she isn't who she is saying she was and she told me to redo the investigation. She continued trying to get money from me, even after all the NO's I gave her. She gets an A for effort. The only person I give money to is my niece in college, so sorry REBEKAH MARTINS. There's a song out there "PLAYERS ONLY LOVE YOU WHEN THEY ARE PLAYING" and yes Rebekah this song is for you. Go get a real education so you can get a real job you POS. The phone number she calls from is 636-742-1860
Susan
August 08, 2018
Anyone been contacted by a David Arnold from Canada? He says he's a widower with a son in boarding school, and that he works in "communications." For a while he wouldn't give out the name and then when he finally did it didn't check out.
Susan
August 27, 2018

In reply to by Susan

I have some more info on this David, or Dav, Arnold. When pushed for a name for his company he said, get this, David Communications Inc. Here are the various excuses he laid out: --The company is private and therefore does not appear on the internet --Somebody else stole his Instagram pictures should they turn up elsewhere. --The kid is in boarding school, so no new pictures. --The usual lines about being a widower, world traveler, etc. Also, he's following about 2,000 other women, but my friend just won't believe that this is a scam. Has anybody come across this guy, so that I can show her it's bogus? Thank you.
Susan
August 14, 2018

In reply to by Susan

I should also add that I came up empty on a reverse image search.
Mclare58
August 14, 2018

In reply to by Susan

Yes!!! He also gave me a fake name for his company. Does he send stickers that he loves you, etc?
Softball girl
August 08, 2018
Women and men both be aware of a Rebekah Martins. Said she is from Tennessee and travels for her import and export clothing goods. Then will tell you lets talk through google hangouts. Will tell you she is stuck in Turkey and needs money. Promises to pay you back everything. Will send naughty pictures to you but for sure it isn't her. Rebekah is a phony. She would get mad when I refused her money. Would wait a few days and come back at me with another angle. Sorry I work for my money and if anything I give to my family only!!
Lainey
August 08, 2018
Hello Everyone,I guess I am joining the group also. I am a smart woman, all though I thought I was, Dr. Justin Johnson, Army, in Damancus Syria. Widow 53, ready to retire, son in military boarding school, wife passed away drugs. Loves me deeply, wants to marry me after 3 months, can I get a package for him from customs in United Nations in Canada, just pay the taxes, he will pay me back..2850.00, when the package areas, he will be here within 72 hours. We are arguing right now, the only way you can come here is if I can pay the taxes on the package. I am playing him along right now to see where this is going. Wish me luck, suppose to be a large amount of diamonds. Which I am calling Blood Diamonds. I am not about money, I am about being used, to get what you want.
Baffled15
August 08, 2018
Has anyone been contacted by Curtis Anderson...on instragram known as curisanderson295. I'm sure he's a scammer but can't figure out his end game. Says his wife died 5yrs ago in a car accident, says he is in dallas on business...he sent me a photo I ran an image search and it's a stock photo on line. Would like to know if anyone else has had contact with him and know their experiences.
Don'tmesswithmom
April 29, 2020

In reply to by Baffled15

Hi! I realize this is from almost 2 years ago but a Curtis Anderson has reached out to my mom through online Scrabble. Says he's originally from Havana, lives in Raleigh, NC but working on an oil rig in Alabama. Wife died 8 years ago from Leukemia. Told her he's not looking for marriage just someone to be best friends and share their lives with each other. Next message is how he loves her and wants to be the one to put a smile on her face every day for the rest of her life... Please reach out to me if you get this!!
Sabrina
August 08, 2018
Well it happened with me as well. I fall in love with this English teacher from UK. we traveled explore the country, later he asked me he needs to go to china for some work and be back after months. while we were together i used to pay for his bills , food , rent etc.. now he tells me he has new girl and cant be with me . So that's the end spending so much money on this guy , now he found better girl so left me crying , anyway karma is a bitch mr. felix hope you feel that soon.
gatita11
August 09, 2018
I’m so grateful reading all this experiences, I had an attempt of being scammed recently in more than one occasion using the dating app called hinge, same story about military handsome man, wife cheated badly and he was half “French” and half american but when I sent him words in French he just ignored them ( obviously he didn’t understand) immediately talking with me in the app ask to talk outside the app and started talking about marriage at just the second day of talking ( weird )told me he had inherited a lot of money from deceased French dad and needed my bank info so I could help him because he had no one, he got the wrong woman since I’m pretty skeptical, I thank God for his protection, now I more skeptical than ever.
R3dN3ckT3x
August 09, 2018
This has happened to me as well, and I'm a guy. I don't understand something though. While this had always happened via Instagram, why am I always asked if I have Hangouts? And I have another question. Is there a way to take these people's (scammers) profile pic and run a integer search with it to see if indeed this is a stolen pic?
Angry woman
August 09, 2018
From the previous comments, I believe that they are the same person. Has many names and many stories. I was scammed. His name he used was James Rogers Galbraith. Was shot in left leg while on patrol in Syria. Staff Sergeant, Special Forces. Has an adopted son, Peter or Prince in school in Tamale Ghana. Son injured and in hospital. Sent pictures to prove it. Asked for money all the time. Pics I was sent of him was of a Col. William S Galbraith. He even sent me a picture of a soldiers penis. Shocking. Madly in love with me and going to marry me. Went to Ghana, because of son and caught Malaria. This guy is good. Been at it for years. These scammers are evil. They are heartless and they can ruin your life if you allow it. Said he was born and raised in Miami, Florida. An inheritance of millions from his parents who died in a car crash. His father was a doctor and mother was a school master. Look out for this one. He speaks in broken English. I've made him mad before, he gets flustered. Played his game against him. I've prayed for him, because he is surely on a dark path to hell.
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