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Who wouldn’t love to be that winner you see on TV holding a great big sweepstakes check? That’s what con artists are counting on when they claim to be Publishers Clearing House. This trick is an oldie but goodie for scammers.

The scam starts with a call or letter saying you’ve won the Publishers Clearing House sweepstakes. But to collect your prize, they say, you need to send money to pay for fees and taxes. Typically you’ll be asked to send money by Western Union or MoneyGram, or by getting a reloadable card or gift card. Scammers ask you to pay these ways because it’s nearly impossible to trace the money — and you’ll almost never get it back.

But that’s not the only way scammers get your money with this scam. Some will send you a realistic-looking fake check in the mail. You’re told that, to claim your prize, you need to deposit the check and send some of the money back for made-up expenses. But when the check you deposit bounces — even after it seemed to clear — you may be on the hook for the money you sent.

If you think you’ve won a prize, here are a few things to know:

  • Never send money to collect a prize, sweepstakes check, or lottery winnings. If you have to pay, it’s a scam.
  • Never deposit a check and send back money, even if the funds appear in your account. That’s a sure sign of a scam.
  • If anyone calls asking you to pay for a prize, hang up and report it to the FTC at ReportFraud.ftc.gov.

Want to know more? Read our article on Prize Scams. And, if you wired money to a prize scammer via Western Union between January 1, 2004 and January 19, 2017, you might be eligible for a refund.

Still think it’s real? The real Publishers Clearing House says it will never ask you to pay a fee to collect a prize. Check out Publishers Clearing House’s fraud protection page.

Note: The title was updated on April 25, 2018 to make clear that this blog post addresses scammers impersonating Publishers Clearing House.

Bluesky
August 30, 2018

In reply to by Pat O

Thank you for sharing that with everyone. So many people don’t do it. That’s the best advice I’ve heard on this page. Thanks
JoS
April 24, 2018
Why can't our FTC do SOMETHING about Publishers Clearing House? They have been advertising and been around for years...it is all just a scam! They should be SHUT DOWN COMPLETELY!!!
Kay
May 01, 2018

In reply to by JoS

I had to block Publishers Clearing House, cause just like you, 1 entry & they kept pushing crap on me for years & finally agreed to try free mags & ten I cancelled after free months up, but they continued sending more & billing me. I called & cancelled again, stating I didn't even like those, so they started sending even more different ones,& billing for at least a year, before I finally was able to talk them into stopping. But then, it seemed like a flood of new offers kept calling messaging etc.
Me
October 01, 2018

In reply to by JoS

I agree there should be something that can be done with these people.
jazz
February 10, 2021

In reply to by JoS

Because it's not the actual company its people posing as employee's of the company
Henry
April 24, 2018
Pulishers Clearing House delivering $85K today but they need a money transfer of $1,800 by Wells Fargo Bank to Mr. Bav Sawyer. He calls from number 876-895-5805 caller ID shows Kingston, Jamaica. SCAM!!!
Don't use your…
June 18, 2018

In reply to by Henry

Someone with a very similar if not identical name called me today 06/18/2018. He is now using a different phone number: 702-342-2051
P.J.
April 24, 2018
I never played the state lottery, but I was thinking of it since the money you spend goes to such good projects. I'd just think of it as a few extra dollars in taxes a week. But suppose I won? How would I know if it was for real? I'm not sure where to begin or what to watch out for.
4evrIHS
June 26, 2018

In reply to by P.J.

P.J., You will know without a doubt. If you win, they will show up with a check for you not asking you for a check. There will no doubt be cameras, a host of employees with microphones & likely even your local news caster to capture your every emotion so they can publicize this memorable event, all without asking anything of you other than for your consent to airing your very fortunate event to the world.
kath5kath
April 24, 2018
Thank you for this useful information! Thank you also to the commenters for your helpful tips.
Don't jbuse yo…
April 24, 2018
WE get calls every day,money,IRS,Medicare,computer service,donations for VETS not on the approve lists. check with the VFW.......
Larifari
April 24, 2018
I got a call that I won $100,000.00, but would have to send a check to cover fees. I told them to just deduct that from the $100,000.00. They were not happy!
Darlene Watrous
April 24, 2018
Publisher clearing house scam saying my mother won trying to get her to go get a green dot scratch off and give them the number on the card so they can verify. His name michael poloski you've won house phone they called from 876 836 2619 carlten JM .cell phone they called from 302 408 4767
Twayner
April 25, 2018

In reply to by Darlene Watrous

Not to be too negative, but as with e-mails, telephone Caller ID information can be spoofed the same way and almost always is with scams. Thus, it's a waste of time to worry about the name and phone numbers the calls come from, because none of it is real; it's all spoofed. Should you decide to look up the number, it'll always be some innocent party who knows nothing of what you're calling them about; they are literally innocent bystanders. Actually, I don't know why the FTC doesn't make this point in these cases but I've never seen it mentioned by them. However if you go to their web pages online, there is a page that explains all of what I just described. Their website is an excellent source of information on this and a lot more.
Lola
March 02, 2020

In reply to by Twayner

Am scared I got two friends requests instragm saying there were clearing house they messange me I won 1 million dollar they ask for a $100 I tunes gift the second one $500 amazon gift card I gave them my info my name adress and phone am scare
Cat Lady
April 25, 2018
Received a so called letter from PCH with a check!! We got on computer and found a phone # for PCH and called them. They had us send them copies of the letter and check, which we did. Told us at that time that they didn't know about this scam. This is a good site for learning about all of the scams going on. Thank you!
Debbie
April 25, 2018
Pch says ordering something doesn't inprove your chance of winning! But now because I did order a magazine that I normally get there saying take a look at the stuff you have won 30% off your order and if you won't order they keep showing more and won't let you enter saying you have 1 more step before you go to the final level I think that's false advertising
Phil A.
April 25, 2018
I think the whole PCH thing is a scam in and of itself. Other than the actors they use in their ads, have you ever read about, or seen on TV, anyone who actually won anything? It's a scam to sell magazines.
Matty
June 28, 2018

In reply to by Phil A.

An old friend's father won I believe it was 100,000 (in Ontario, Canada). That was back in the 70's. The only one I have ever heard of.
Concerned Citizen
April 25, 2018
Yeah, I know about that PCH. They do string you along, have you doing things (playing games) online... Yes, the date keeps getting pushed upward... why would they want to take up peoples time like that and get their hopes up for nothing. It's gotten to the point in order to protect yourself and your interest, you really can't believe anyone. If I don't know you, to me, you're a scam.
MikeFromArizona
April 25, 2018
My mom got a letter claiming to be from PCH asking for money to be sent to win a prize. We called PCH and they were very helpful in educating us about this scam and providing us information to contact law enforcement. They made it clear they never ask for money to win and actually called my Mom back to make sure she was okay and had not lost any money and understood it was a scam
chinamarymaine
April 25, 2018
A "Publishers Clearinghouse" man just called here 4/25/18 at 10:30am to from an "unknown name" source with poor telephone clarity (possibly a cell)and said we were 1st prize winners of $2.5M and a 2018 Mercedes valued at $200K.He asked us for our email address so he could send our info. I told them to send the info to us by certified mail which we were happy to accept. He must have our mailing address. He hung up. Do not give unknown people any more info if they call.
Northwest3
April 25, 2018
The easiest way to know if that "check" you received is good. Make a copy of it. The word VOID will be all over the copy. Then turn everything into the FTC!!
AJ
August 27, 2018

In reply to by Northwest3

I was called yesterday morning @ 2:30 a.m. told I had won a brand new car & 17,000.000.00 . I was very skeptical, so they had me call Wells Fargo to verify. Now the bank supposedly wanted 750.00 to release the money. I have all numbers they would give me. I never would give them mine. They are online posing as PCH prizepatrollers.
Traceyannbeans
April 26, 2018
They are on Instagram w fake profiles. They DM you.
Magv1975
November 12, 2018

In reply to by Traceyannbeans

That is how I got contacted, the guy say he is Peter Johnson from pch say I'm this month winner of 2.5 million but I have to go to Walmart to get a claimer recipient, what is that? to receive my winnings and prize. The claimer recipient is a one time payment of $350.15. Thank God I didn't follow through with what they telling me to do.
TerriblyWrong
April 26, 2018
My mother was victimized and it ruined her life. I found this at the very beginning of the year and she sent over $15,000 to these scammers and her entire life has changed. Please watch your elderly parents because this is SOOOO REAL and it has changed our lives..
Sickofthiscrap
May 02, 2018

In reply to by TerriblyWrong

I understand. I just found out today that my parents fell for this trap. They had received tons of PCH in the mail for years and never won a single thing. Well, now they get a call today from someone allegedly with PCH saying that they have their prize in holding and have had it for 6 months. They talked to them for hours convincing them to go to their bank and get a certified check over $2,000 and send it to somewhere in Nevada, before their prize could be released. I'm sick to my stomach that these dirtbags get away with this. These older folks that still have some with need to realize that in today's world, things do not work like they did years ago. Scams abound!!
me!
April 26, 2018
Thank you for keeping on these !!!!!!!! sick people!
Scam
August 14, 2018

In reply to by me!

Yes, just recently they said they were giving money away to the elderly ,retired and widows to winners. Well I fell for it. They had me sen 1,ooo.oo to a David in Zion bank Utah. Then Saturday they told me to get 20 100.00 I tuned cards. Not saying who is getting all of this. Then they say ups went to deliver money to me and IRS stopped them because they wanted 4,000.00 in taxes. I did get wise then.Though the same person keeps texting me to pay and the money will be delivered to my door. Then she kept saying dont mention any of this to anyone. I told her this was a scam and she insisted not.well yesterday I blocked her from phone, after her telling me the FBI is coming to arrest me. Meanwhile I am out of 3,000.00. I am 80 year old widow and will not fall again for these scams
LesmartDon't u…
April 26, 2018
But think of the millions that the post office collects in postage from PCH and their worthless trash mailings.
I got $1.5M
April 28, 2018
Just kidding. That's what the guy told me. He called me at least 6 times between yesterday and today. On the last call, I told him I did some research and I knew this was a scam. Then I hung up and blocked his number. Don't give them any information. He knew my address but I never confirmed it.
635 phalen blvd
April 30, 2018
I received a call stating that I won $355,000,000 from PCH and also a Mercedes Benz, then the next day I got a call asking what color did I want my car to be. I told him I did not believe him and he asked what proof I would need. I told him I wanted and official certified letter.
Sking
May 02, 2018
I just got a call from 1-876-584-0241 Jamaica NY. Said he was PCH and that I won 6.5 Million plus a new Mercedes sports car. He had me write down bogus stuff like batch code & verification #s, etc. even the name of the verifying attorney (Mary Smith). Then started to ask me questions, like my marital status, working or retired, etc....I stopped it before it got to any important info. When he asked how to spell my name, I said "you called me, you don't know my name?" (It's an common easy to spell name). I said something about checking with PCH headquarters because I wasn't comfortable and he hung up LOL.
Non believer
May 02, 2018
My mother received a phone call this evening. Told her she won money, Mercedez Benz, etc. What a bunch of scammers.
Lavern
May 03, 2018

In reply to by Non believer

tex me that phone number please so Incase they call me I can know to dont cooperate with them
Alex
May 03, 2018
Years ago I tried one of their "unusual products" - some "very special" hands-free magnifier glass. The quality was so bad it was impossible to use. It was a real pain in the neck to return it. Then they sent me a lengthy letter that seemed to state I've ALREADY WON. I am a foreigner, my English is not perfect. So, I asked my American friend to decipher it for me. It took HIM about half an hour to find out: - the phrase was "WINNER will receive..." but they never said "YOU ARE the winner" - I was about to receive something called "COMPENDIUM" (I was unable to find that word in a dictionary). They kept bombarding me with their lottery offers even after I moved o another location - they found me even there! And it took me a lot of lost nerve cells to finally get them off my back. Here is my conclusion: Publisher's Clearing House is evil. No more business with them.
Dancingkatz
May 07, 2018
I got a call today which turned out to be this scam. I played along giving false info and they finally got to the point of telling me I needed to go to Walmart to register my prize. From that point I just kept asking "What does PCH have to do with Walmart?" anytime the guy paused for breath in reciting his script. He finally got so fed up that he hung up. Best of all I managed to waste about 40 minutes of his time while eating my lunch and trying not to laugh out loud.
janee
May 07, 2018
Tell me this letter is for real-Please.. I know it's not...I received a letter along with a check for processing fees & duty taxes & the letter said I was a winner of $75,000.00 from unclaimed prize money & the check enclosed would take care of all taxes. It was fun reading it but we all know it's a scam. darn..
Clyde ,Redding Ca
May 08, 2018
On May7 I received a call from Las Vegas #702-237-1533.He Allen Rogers,and Anthoy Cooper, Told me I was selected to recieve 2.5M and 500K in cash, in a private deal. All I had to do was go to my bank and get them $9500,to cover FTC Cert. I told them I did not have that much ready cash But if they would call back the next day I would try to get it. more to come today at 1.00PM
brittc
May 09, 2018
I got an email from someone named Kristin Cooke claiming she's from pch. She said I won a 850,000 lottery sweepstakes... Bogus...
another victim
May 09, 2018
PCH makes it clear that they never alert any winners any advance either by calling or emailing you nor do they ever make you have to pay them anything in order to receive it. Anyone who does either of these is obviously a scammer. Also, they will never be asking you for any personal information other than for your mailing address and birthdate, but not anything else especially if it involves a social security number, plus they should know from your account where you live anyway. Should you win one of the smaller prizes, they will usually just send an email alert of either how to pick it up or they will just mail it to you, but they will never tell you to send them anything. Meanwhile, winning a grand prize means that they will show up in person, and they do know where you live by your account. Please keep in mind that they don't friend anyone via social media, so if someone claiming it's them doing this, it's obviously fake. More importantly, you can't win a contest that you never entered for in the first place. As for the emails you may receive as a result of playing with them, you can always unsubscribe from them like I did for some of them so that the you won't be getting them later on.
John Doe
May 09, 2018
Check on George Perry he claims to be a Federal Gov. worker trying to collect money for lottery winnings.
Lavern
May 10, 2018

In reply to by John Doe

post there phone Numbers also with the comments so if they call me I know they are fake callers
Notagain
May 10, 2018
Just went thru this as well. A charles crumpton call my brother telling him he won 2.4 million and 100,000 cash this took place over two days and asking for more money. Into an account at wells Fargo for Joseph z compise. Call us dumb. No more.
GURU69
May 10, 2018
I just received a call from someone named Dave Sawyer in Kingston Jamaica! Number was 876-365-8837 and said I won $1.5 million plus a brand new 2017 Buick. I was given a 6-digit number and told to call Andy Goldberg at the PCH NY Headquarters at 716-222-3161. I immediately looked up how PCH notifies their winners and it's exclusively through the live prize patrol, not via phone call (smaller prizes may be notified via mail or email). I didn't call the next number and received another phone call from the first number. I immediately told them I knew it was a scam and was contacting PCH directly. They hung up. SCAMMERS!
Rosemary Romberg
May 10, 2018
This was a private message that I received recently. I posted this on my fb friends as I was very suspicious: I'd love to have $6,000,000 drop in my lap, but I really don't believe this is legitimate. The person who is sending me all of this is Tricia Tricia. Does anyone else know her or know anything about this? .................... Well, I hope all of you know the answer by now: Of course real people win PCH prizes! No, those people jumping for joy in the TV commercials are not actors – they really won! And, absolutely – PCH is as real as real gets! Whenever you shop at Walmart Walgreens CVS Pharmacy Krogers Safeway and pay your bills and time that is the way you submitted your entry form among our participant and was chosen as our lucky Grand Prize winner. Ok dear let me explain the PCH is the Publisher's Clearing House we are a legitimate sweepstakes company that only seek to help people by giving them a chance to win big and give your family the life changing experience you all deserve .. Are you a HUGE fan of the PCH?? what level of a PCH are you??? (A) SUPER (B) HUGE (C) GOOD What is PCH Well, I hope all of you know the answer by now: Of course real people win PCH prizes! No, those people jumping for joy in the TV commercials are not actors – they really won! And, absolutely – PCH is as real as real gets! Whenever you shop at Walmart Walgreens CVS Pharmacy Krogers Safeway and pay your bills and time that is the way you submitted your entry form among our participant and was chosen as our lucky Grand Prize winner. ?? Ok dear let me explain the PCH is the Publisher's Clearing House we are a legitimate sweepstakes company that only seek to help people by giving them a chance to win big and give your family the life changing experience you all deserve .. What if you woke up and see us at your door with a big check what will be your reaction ?? Yes that is correct as all entries have been validated and approved and now we have good news for you?? If you won what would you do first and who would you call first?? And what would winning with the PCH mean to you and your family? Wed 8:33pm I am very suspicious of the validity of this, but if it's true what do you want me to do? 5:05am Do you have faith in us here at the PCH?? Do you know why you have been contacted by a PCH Elite Prize Patrol Team Member at this very moment??? Congratulations you are our 24th winner of this Year 2018 here at the Publishers Clearing House you have won for yourself (10.Million dollars)($5,000 a weekly for life)(and a brand new BMW car )Should be delivered to you.. And yes indeed dear this is your life changing opportunity right here and now. Many persons don't believe us at first it is ok though but with just a little faith and compliance we will see that your prize delivery is done successfully as we are a legitimate sweepstakes company that only seek? For verification purposes please provide me with your full name and current address and a valid cellphone number to ensure I am speaking to the correct person and we are on the right track. 2:26pm My legal name is Rosemary Wiener. Cell phone # is 907-351-9609. Address: 13020 Sues Way, Anchorage, AK. 99516 Thank you for your compliance and now please hold while I have this information verified and confirmed. And who would you like to state as the beneficiary of this prize winnings to be passed on to? And do you have an active live bank account to facilitate for this prize check deposit? Do you have two valid ID's to show us when we arrive at your doorstep to prove you are a US Citizen?? Ok dear let me explain the PCH is the Publisher's Clearing House we are a legitimate sweepstakes company that only seek to help people by giving them a chance to win big and give your family the life changing experience you all deserve .. Chat Conversation End LikeShow more reactions Comment Share . I recently received this. I'm very suspicious. My many friends are saying it must be a scam: I'd love to have $6,000,000 drop in my lap, but I really don't believe this is legitimate. The person who is sending me all of this is Tricia Tricia. Does anyone else know her or know anything about this? .................... Well, I hope all of you know the answer by now: Of course real people win PCH prizes! No, those people jumping for joy in the TV commercials are not actors – they really won! And, absolutely – PCH is as real as real gets! Whenever you shop at Walmart Walgreens CVS Pharmacy Krogers Safeway and pay your bills and time that is the way you submitted your entry form among our participant and was chosen as our lucky Grand Prize winner. Ok dear let me explain the PCH is the Publisher's Clearing House we are a legitimate sweepstakes company that only seek to help people by giving them a chance to win big and give your family the life changing experience you all deserve .. Are you a HUGE fan of the PCH?? what level of a PCH are you??? (A) SUPER (B) HUGE (C) GOOD What is PCH Well, I hope all of you know the answer by now: Of course real people win PCH prizes! No, those people jumping for joy in the TV commercials are not actors – they really won! And, absolutely – PCH is as real as real gets! Whenever you shop at Walmart Walgreens CVS Pharmacy Krogers Safeway and pay your bills and time that is the way you submitted your entry form among our participant and was chosen as our lucky Grand Prize winner. ?? Ok dear let me explain the PCH is the Publisher's Clearing House we are a legitimate sweepstakes company that only seek to help people by giving them a chance to win big and give your family the life changing experience you all deserve .. What if you woke up and see us at your door with a big check what will be your reaction ?? Yes that is correct as all entries have been validated and approved and now we have good news for you?? If you won what would you do first and who would you call first?? And what would winning with the PCH mean to you and your family? Wed 8:33pm I am very suspicious of the validity of this, but if it's true what do you want me to do? 5:05am Do you have faith in us here at the PCH?? Do you know why you have been contacted by a PCH Elite Prize Patrol Team Member at this very moment??? Congratulations you are our 24th winner of this Year 2018 here at the Publishers Clearing House you have won for yourself (10.Million dollars)($5,000 a weekly for life)(and a brand new BMW car )Should be delivered to you.. And yes indeed dear this is your life changing opportunity right here and now. Many persons don't believe us at first it is ok though but with just a little faith and compliance we will see that your prize delivery is done successfully as we are a legitimate sweepstakes company that only seek? For verification purposes please provide me with your full name and current address and a valid cellphone number to ensure I am speaking to the correct person and we are on the right track. 2:26pm My legal name is Rosemary Wiener. Cell phone # is 907-351-9609. Address: 13020 Sues Way, Anchorage, AK. 99516 Thank you for your compliance and now please hold while I have this information verified and confirmed. And who would you like to state as the beneficiary of this prize winnings to be passed on to? And do you have an active live bank account to facilitate for this prize check deposit? Do you have two valid ID's to show us when we arrive at your doorstep to prove you are a US Citizen?? Ok dear let me explain the PCH is the Publisher's Clearing House we are a legitimate sweepstakes company that only seek to help people by giving them a chance to win big and give your family the life changing experience you all deserve .. Chat Conversation End LikeShow more reactions Comment Share . I recently received the following which I now posted on my fb page. My many friends are saying this is a scam. I'd love to have $6,000,000 drop in my lap, but I really don't believe this is legitimate. The person who is sending me all of this is Tricia Tricia. Does anyone else know her or know anything about this? .................... Well, I hope all of you know the answer by now: Of course real people win PCH prizes! No, those people jumping for joy in the TV commercials are not actors – they really won! And, absolutely – PCH is as real as real gets! Whenever you shop at Walmart Walgreens CVS Pharmacy Krogers Safeway and pay your bills and time that is the way you submitted your entry form among our participant and was chosen as our lucky Grand Prize winner. Ok dear let me explain the PCH is the Publisher's Clearing House we are a legitimate sweepstakes company that only seek to help people by giving them a chance to win big and give your family the life changing experience you all deserve .. Are you a HUGE fan of the PCH?? what level of a PCH are you??? (A) SUPER (B) HUGE (C) GOOD What is PCH Well, I hope all of you know the answer by now: Of course real people win PCH prizes! No, those people jumping for joy in the TV commercials are not actors – they really won! And, absolutely – PCH is as real as real gets! Whenever you shop at Walmart Walgreens CVS Pharmacy Krogers Safeway and pay your bills and time that is the way you submitted your entry form among our participant and was chosen as our lucky Grand Prize winner. ?? Ok dear let me explain the PCH is the Publisher's Clearing House we are a legitimate sweepstakes company that only seek to help people by giving them a chance to win big and give your family the life changing experience you all deserve .. What if you woke up and see us at your door with a big check what will be your reaction ?? Yes that is correct as all entries have been validated and approved and now we have good news for you?? If you won what would you do first and who would you call first?? And what would winning with the PCH mean to you and your family? Wed 8:33pm I am very suspicious of the validity of this, but if it's true what do you want me to do? 5:05am Do you have faith in us here at the PCH?? Do you know why you have been contacted by a PCH Elite Prize Patrol Team Member at this very moment??? Congratulations you are our 24th winner of this Year 2018 here at the Publishers Clearing House you have won for yourself (10.Million dollars)($5,000 a weekly for life)(and a brand new BMW car )Should be delivered to you.. And yes indeed dear this is your life changing opportunity right here and now. Many persons don't believe us at first it is ok though but with just a little faith and compliance we will see that your prize delivery is done successfully as we are a legitimate sweepstakes company that only seek? For verification purposes please provide me with your full name and current address and a valid cellphone number to ensure I am speaking to the correct person and we are on the right track. 2:26pm My legal name is Rosemary Wiener. Cell phone # is 907-351-9609. Address: 13020 Sues Way, Anchorage, AK. 99516 Thank you for your compliance and now please hold while I have this information verified and confirmed. And who would you like to state as the beneficiary of this prize winnings to be passed on to? And do you have an active live bank account to facilitate for this prize check deposit? Do you have two valid ID's to show us when we arrive at your doorstep to prove you are a US Citizen?? Ok dear let me explain the PCH is the Publisher's Clearing House we are a legitimate sweepstakes company that only seek to help people by giving them a chance to win big and give your family the life changing experience you all deserve .. Chat Conversation End LikeShow more reactions Comment Share .
johnson doe
May 14, 2018
Just received the same PCH tex in facebook from someone using the and picture that I know, but hear from very often. Once they new I was on to them, all the comments vanished like I was unfriended, beware and NEVER give money or account into to ANYONE!!!!!
dnlln
May 14, 2018
my wife got one of these calls today, she told me about it when i got home from work. she was told she won 485,00. They however needed 300.00 for an IRS registry number. After she sent the money they called back about about also winning a car and they needed additional 400.00. She sent it thru moneygram. i looked it up and she called money gram. after answering a lot of questions, she is getting a refund of that money. She also consented to allow her information about this incident to be given to several law enforcement agencies. My wife is smart and this sounded sooo good and true. All the numbers sounded official.